Ariz Gov signs immigration enforcement

[xconcepts]

PHOENIX – Gov. Jan Brewer ignored criticism from President Barack Obama on Friday and signed into law a bill supporters said would take handcuffs off police in dealing with illegal immigration in Arizona, the nation's busiest gateway for human and drug smuggling from Mexico.
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Az Gov signs Immigration enforment (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100424/ap_on_re_us/us_immigration_enforcement)

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Supporters have dismissed concerns about profiling, saying the law prohibits the use of race or nationality as the sole basis for an immigration check. Gov. Jan Brewer, who signed the measure Friday, has ordered state officials to develop a training course for officers to learn what constitutes reasonable suspicion someone is in the U.S. illegally.


Agree? Disagree?

I for one am glad someone stepped up and did something. I wish more states would do this. Yeah there are going to be plenty of bitching that it is all going to profile Mexicans but if you read below the link they are trying to curb the profiling shit. It would be fucked up if Obama trys to have this stopped, which I have heard they are going to....:thumbsdown::thumbsdown:

[The God of War]

If you've read 1984, you'll understand why this is a bad thing. A very bad thing.

[Stormhammer]

At this point GOW, I don't think they can avoid it going bad. now it's down to the lesser of two evils. since it is fairly obvious that congress doesn't seem to show any plans for fixing the mix up, at least the governer is.

-Stormhammer-

[Joker]

With you on that StormHammer. There's way too much shit going on in Mexico and the states bordering it for someone not to attempt to do something. It sucks that we basically have a second war going on and congress is downplaying it. Folks getting shot in almost daily drivebys, getting kidnapped IN the states taken back to mexico and being executed, mofos running into hospitals and finishing off people in broad daylight.

Something got to give. I'm sure as hell glad I'm not near Mexico.

[shyaam]

To give up your rights too feel safe is a situation thats bound to turn bad..but the mexican cartel is out of control, they're killing americans and mexican americans...a couple of my mexican friends, said, when they go down to mexico to visit, they always get robbed, by the police, its like the wild west out there.....a bunch of outlaws running around...something must be done.:pimp:

[DaDirtyOldMan]

I don't understand what the big problem is by having this thing passed. If you have your shit together and you get stopped, you don't have anything to worry about plain and simple. What they'll be doing is no different from a policeman asking you for I.D. If you don't have it, they get to run your ass in. I've got the perfect solution that will cut down on immigration. It's a little in humane, but it'll get results. All they have to do is turn our borders into a national training center range that has live fire. Cross that shit if you want, but with all the aircraft dropping bombs, tanks and strykers driving around shooting shit and mortar explosions and helicopters flying through the air. I think that would change anyone's mind. Not to mention all the soldiers training out there. Who needs border patrol when you've got all of this activity and someone is bound to see you doing some shit.

There are tunnels that they use to sneak over. Build a tunnel if you like, but that's not the best idea when 67 ton tanks and 16 ton strykers are rolling around. I bet that'll cut down on people sneaking over by at least 90%. You can't just kidnap someone and sneak them through a military installation. Well you can, but it won't be easy. There is only one flaw in my plan. Greed and the human factor. I guess that's 2 huh?

[wurf]

the link u gave doesn't say anything about exactly what these "training techniques" are that are going to allow them to spot out illegals, without profiling of course. i've looked elsewhere but i can't find it anywhere. sounds like a joke to me. of course its going to be profiling, the same way an arab getting on a plane is probly up to some terrorist shit. the same way four niggas in a car are obviously up to some gang shit. i agree something has to be done, but folks are always quick to agree to some shit when it leads to harrassment that aint gonna affect them.

i don't blame mexican-americans for being worried about this the same way black folks get nervous everytime they talk about passing laws to give the cops more intrusive power. and now that the poverty pimp al sharpton is getting involved its very likely that nobody with common sense is gonna wanna listen.

on a funny note, ever since they started talking about this all i can think of is the movie "Born in East L.A.". its old as hell, but if u aint seen it, u should.

[xconcepts]

wurf I hear what your saying but if you read the shit Mexico does with illegals this is nothing. Carrying your immigration documents should be no worse than carrying your regular ID. I'm moving to Tucson in the next week and can pass as hispanic, I'd have no problem showing my ID if needed.

[shyaam]

having ID is not enough..ID's can be made, you must have papers ( birth certificate, passport anything with a state or government seal). you can be detain for infinite amount of time,until you produce those papers. the police holds that judgment....do you think all police we be just. just remember this old saying..You Today,Me Tomorrow(it want stop there, your freedom will be revoked..this is a test run people.):fro:

[xconcepts]

True but I have to carry my military ID at all times, so......

I still feel even if I had to carry my birth certificate around I'd be ok with it. There will be problems with police detaining certain nationalities but how many cops in AZ are hispanic? I bet more than half easily.

[Joker]

One of the reasons they are trying to pass this bill:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100501/ap_on_re_us/us_arizona_deputy_shot

[Stormhammer]

I shoulda guessed. Well the point is if you're not doing illegal shit, chances are you won't get your face stuck to the dirt. If you're rolling down the street with a stolen car, a joint behind your ear, and a Glock hanging out of your pocket, maybe you should get your ass kicked by the police just so that you know that you're fucking up. Hopefully, the ones who come here legally with their papers in order won't get hassled. The rest that wanna come in a cry because they're being arrested for breaking a law...............YOU'RE BREAKING A LAW!!! THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS!!!

-Stormhammer-

[DaDirtyOldMan]

....do you think all police we be just.

I don't think it's a question of whether or not the police will be just. It's a question of whether or not they'll do their jobs in the first place. Do you know how much of a pain in the ass it'll be to check every hispanic person walking down the street? I know I wouldn't waste my time doing it. The only people I'd worry about is the motherfuckers committing crimes. Yes some cops will go overboard and abuse their power, but I'm sure that's will be very few that will actually do that since this is such a touchy subject right now. Now, as fucked up as this sounds, I'd definitely be trying to run motherfuckers in that look like they have some kind of gang affiliation.

They always have tattoos showing who they are with or are throwing up gang signs. I'd sit in my patrol car and look for shit like that. I'd have my little camer rolling and if I see you throw up a gang sign, I bust your ass plane and simple. Then you got the people that just want to fuck with the police to show how bad they are. You know people like that. The cops just look in their direction and they have to get belligerent. I'd run their asses in to. If I'm not fucking with you, then don't fuck with me.

[Joker]

I don't think it's a question of whether or not the police will be just. It's a question of whether or not they'll do their jobs in the first place. Do you know how much of a pain in the ass it'll be to check every hispanic person walking down the street? I know I wouldn't waste my time doing it. The only people I'd worry about is the motherfuckers committing crimes. Yes some cops will go overboard and abuse their power, but I'm sure that's will be very few that will actually do that since this is such a touchy subject right now. Now, as fucked up as this sounds, I'd definitely be trying to run motherfuckers in that look like they have some kind of gang affiliation.

They always have tattoos showing who they are with or are throwing up gang signs. I'd sit in my patrol car and look for shit like that. I'd have my little camer rolling and if I see you throw up a gang sign, I bust your ass plane and simple. Then you got the people that just want to fuck with the police to show how bad they are. You know people like that. The cops just look in their direction and they have to get belligerent. I'd run their asses in to. If I'm not fucking with you, then don't fuck with me.

:clap: I feel the same way. If I could rep you I would.

[The God of War]

Damn. I can't say that I don't agree with this law (if it is followed and enforced to the letter), but how will this affect people of a darker hue that live near the border? It has further reaching effects than we once previously believed.

Don't forget that the Patriot Act still exists. This is just an offshoot of that.

[wurf]

most laws wouldn't be a problem if they were enforced properly, but how many times does that happen. a lot is left up to the discretion of the cop and they are trained to profile. i don't give a damn what they say to the media, everytime a cop comes out and tells the truth that is one of the first things they admit. i have no faith in any police force in this country (especially that area) operating in an unbiased manner. i know yall saying that having to show ur papers is not a big deal, but what about when ur getting stopped and searched almost everyday? what about when this is abused and used as a means to just pull over random muthafukkas who "fit the description" and that description describes u? what about when ur frustration builds from constantly dealing with this type of shit? what about when ur stopped and harrassed for up to an hour over BS and end up late for work, a flight, ur kids birthday, etc.?

i don't care about how illegals are being treated, its the innocent citizens who will suffer due to the way this law will be abused that bothers me. and i'm willing to bet my life it will be abused. if u think they won't round whole groups of latinos at one time then go thru a slow ass process of checking their papers, i'm telling u that ur wrong. and its not like i care that much about latinos, but if this produces results, then whats next. what happens when i "fit the description" being targeted by some new law?

until we're ready to adopt some policies that actually punish illegals when caught, like most other countries, then i think the only real solution is to fortify the border. but a policy thats only gonna punish latino citizens for the sake of catching some illegals aint right. i know each state has the right to their own laws, but still it aint right. we've got eastern european illegals causing problems all over the country and they constantly get a pass because they're white or at least look the part. if they passed a similar law in the northeast or the midwest as a way to curb some of the russian and/or polish gang and mob activity, that shit would get shot down before we ever even heard about it.

[ghostryder]

Two coworkers of mine and I were talking about this issue last night. This law is almost similar to one that is on the books in a Northern Virginia county. I think the state government is getting fed up with the issue and decided to act instead of waiting for the feds to do what they are supposed to have done years ago. Everyone talks about cutting off the pipeline, but they never will because their next landscaper, mechanic, maid, or cocaine supplier is coming through it.

[parityboy]

Read here a couple times about people needing to carry their immigration documents around with them, "and then there won't be a problem"...or words to that effect.

Sorry, but yes there will. It'll cause a new and very lucrative crime industry to spring up in the area (if it isn't there already). People will start getting robbed and killed for their documents. I remember this was happening to Western Asians (Indian, Pakistani etc); they were getting robbed for their passports by immigration gangs.

I can only see this problem getting worse, in lots of different ways...

[no1chiller]

Well I think we can kill two birds with one stone (immigration and unemployment) if we get to work building a wall all the way from texas to california. I know boatloads of people who would relocate for steady work. And just to be fair lets work on that canadian border, because Mexico isn't the only place all the dope is coming in from.

[parityboy]

Well I think we can kill two birds with one stone (immigration and unemployment) if we get to work building a wall all the way from Texas to California. I know boatloads of people who would relocate for steady work. And just to be fair lets work on that Canadian border, because Mexico isn't the only place all the dope is coming in from.

I agree. You also should build walls along all the roads that run through forests, national parks and other wilderness areas too, just to combat that home grown sticky-icky-icky :p